This Is How It Always Is

This Is How It Always Is

by

Laurie Frankel

Rosie’s husband and father to Roo, Ben, Orion, Rigel, and Poppy. Penn is a writer, and he meets Rosie when he is in graduate school getting his MFA. Penn is not a realist, and he believes in “fairy tales” and “happily ever after,” but he doesn’t believe in love at first sight. Still, he falls in love with Rosie almost immediately. Rosie falls in love with Penn when he tells her Grumwald stories in the hospital waiting room, and after they get married and have a family, Penn tells Grumwald stories to their five kids. Rosie is a doctor with a demanding schedule, so Penn stays home and raises the kids. He cooks and cleans, takes cate of laundry and bath time, and picks up endless toys and scrapes gum from the walls. His is writing a novel, but most days he doesn’t get the chance to even think about it. After Claude tells Penn he wants to be a “girl scientist” when he grows up, Penn is concerned, but he is hoping it is just phase. Soon, it is clear Claude is not going through a phase, and after he transitions to Poppy, Penn vows to make Poppy feel as normal and accepted as possible. Nevertheless, Penn is concerned about Poppy’s safety, which is why he agrees with Rosie when she wants to move to Seattle, and it is also why he agrees to keep Poppy’s gender a secret once they get there. Penn is committed to keeping Poppy’s secret, and he researches “penis-minimizing underwear” and sex reassignment surgery; however, after Poppy is outed at school as transgender and humiliated, Penn is committed to telling as many people as possible about Poppy and writes The Adventures of Grumwald and Princess Stephanie, a fairy tale about a transgender knight. Like Rosie, Penn defies traditional gender roles and exposes them as ridiculous and antiquated, and he also represents the power of storytelling. By telling Poppy’s story through Grumwald, Penn makes visible the transgender community and helps others to see that they aren’t so different.

Penn Quotes in This Is How It Always Is

The This Is How It Always Is quotes below are all either spoken by Penn or refer to Penn. For each quote, you can also see the other characters and themes related to it (each theme is indicated by its own dot and icon, like this one:
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Part I: Bedtime Story Quotes

Bedtime stories were a group activity. And because showing the pictures all around to everyone involved a great deal of squirming and shoving and pinching and pushing and get-outta-my-ways and he-farted-on-mes and you-got-to-look-longer-than-I-dids, Penn often resorted to telling stories rather than reading them. He had a magic book he read from. It was an empty spiral notebook. He showed the boys it was blank so that there was no clamoring to see. And then he read it to them. Like magic.

Related Characters: Claude/Poppy, Rosie, Penn, Roo/Roosevelt, Ben, Orion, Rigel
Page Number: 28
Explanation and Analysis:

In all, a successful bedtime and an accomplishment on par with finishing a particularly difficult chapter or a tax return. It wasn't diagnosing a pulmonary embolism, but it was not unimpressive, and it allowed a pulmonary embolism to be diagnosed. It could not, unfortunately, be followed up by work or by house cleaning, dish doing, lunchbox packing, exercising, or any of the other things that needed doing. Bedtime could only be followed by TV. Or drinking. On the night Claude became—the fruition of which, of course, would only make bedtime worse—Penn thought both at once sounded best and gave it a good try but was asleep on the couch before he was very far into either one.

Related Characters: Claude/Poppy, Rosie, Penn, Roo/Roosevelt, Ben, Orion, Rigel
Page Number: 30
Explanation and Analysis:
Part I: Maybe Quotes

“You’re a scientist, Rosie. Women aren’t scientists. So that goes in the boy column. You’re a doctor—an ER doctor, not a girly one like pediatrician or gynecology. So that goes in the boy column too. Your so-called husband is a writer, an artist, and not the kind who makes money. The other kind. He cooks dinner—” [...].

Related Characters: Penn (speaker), Claude/Poppy, Rosie
Page Number: 72
Explanation and Analysis:
Part I: Naming Rights Quotes

“Meaning if he thinks he is a girl, he has gender dysphoria, and we will accommodate that. If he just wants to wear a dress, he is being disruptive and must wear normal clothes.”

“I’m not sure either Claude or I even understand the distinction you’re making up as you go along here,” said Penn.

“It’s confusing,” the district representative acknowledged, “for Miss Appleton and for the children and clearly also for Claude. No one knows how to treat this child. Do we say he or she? Does Claude line up with the boys or the girls? Why is his hair still short? Why hasn’t he change his name?”

Related Characters: Penn (speaker), Victoria Revels (speaker), Claude/Poppy
Page Number: 91
Explanation and Analysis:

“He cannot be all of the above in kindergarten, and he cannot be none of the above in kindergarten. In kindergarten, a child can only be a he or a she, a boy or a girl. Kindergartens are not set up for ambiguity.”

“Maybe they should be,” said Penn. “The world is an ambiguous place.”

“Not for a five-year-old. For a five-year-old, the world is very black and white. It’s fair or it’s unfair. It’s fun or its torture. There are not disgusting cookies. There are not delicious vegetables.”

Related Characters: Penn (speaker), Victoria Revels (speaker), Claude/Poppy
Page Number: 92
Explanation and Analysis:
Part I: Push Quotes

Rosie hated that calendar. Penn adored it. To Penn, it represented a triumph, difficult things overcome and implemented. Maybe the transition from Claude had been daunting and fraught, but here was Poppy, loved, friended, present, no longer disappearing off the page. He considered the calendar a hard-won trophy. To Rosie, it bespoke people's cloying, pandering, PC bullshit and a strange Poppy cachet. Having status, she warned Penn, was not the same as having friends. Maybe parents just wanted their kids to invite Poppy over so they could gossip to their own friends or make a big show of being open-minded and tolerant. Maybe the kids wanted to play with Poppy because they were curious about him rather than because they liked him. And what would they do about invitations to sleepovers? What would they do when these kids stopped being sweet little kindergarteners and started being hormone-crazed, mean-spirited, cruel-intentioned, peer-pressuring, pill-popping, gun-toting teenagers?

Related Characters: Claude/Poppy, Rosie, Penn
Page Number: 98
Explanation and Analysis:

“Did you threaten him?” said Penn.

“Who?”

“Poppy.”

“Ain’t a him, friend.”

“Did you threaten our child?” Rosie did not want to get diverted into semantics and pronoun battles. There was something more at stake here.

“I told him we don't play with faggots, we don't play with girls, we don't play with boys dressed as girls, and he was no longer welcome in our home or anywhere near my kid—not at the park, not at school, not on the playground, nowhere.”

Related Characters: Rosie (speaker), Penn (speaker), Nick Calcutti (speaker), Claude/Poppy, Nicky Calcutti
Page Number: 101-102
Explanation and Analysis:
Part II: Strategically Naked Quotes

They had four and a half boys, plus Penn, but in some ways, Aggie was maler than any of them. She was a girl who dug holes and ran hard and liked bugs and all that other tomboy shit, but it was more—or maybe less—than that. She'd dismantle toy trucks to build spaceships to fly dolls to day spas built inside killer volcanoes. You just couldn't nail the kid down.

Related Characters: Claude/Poppy, Rosie, Penn, Roo/Roosevelt, Aggie, Ben, Orion, Rigel
Page Number: 142
Explanation and Analysis:
Part II: Transformation Quotes

“You know, it used to be there were no transgender kids. Your son would come to you in a dress, and you'd say, ‘No son of mine!’ or ‘Boys don't wear dresses!’ and that would be the end of it. That kid would grow up, and if he made it through childhood and if he made it through puberty and if he made it through young adulthood, maybe, if he were lucky, he’d eventually find his way to a community of people who understood what no one ever had, and he would slowly change his clothes and hair, and he would slowly change his name and pronouns, and he would slowly test the waters of being female, and over years and decades, he might become a she. Or he might kill himself long before he got there. The rate of suicide for these kids is over forty percent, you know.”

Related Characters: Mr. Tongo (speaker), Claude/Poppy, Rosie, Penn
Page Number: 181
Explanation and Analysis:
Part II: Fire Quotes

Ben was a smart guy, yes, with an off-the-charts IQ and a double-stacked bookcase, but he was still sixteen. And he'd been patient for a very long time. That and he saw something his parents did not, which was that when something was this significant, this consequential, you didn’t keep it from someone you loved, even if that someone was Cayenne Granderson.

Related Characters: Claude/Poppy, Rosie, Penn, Ben, Cayenne
Page Number: 197
Explanation and Analysis:
Part II: Hedge Enemies Quotes

“I don’t want anything. I want . . . I only want to do whatever’s best for her.”

“Me too. Of course mc too. If we knew what that was. But unfortunately that exceeds my skill set. That's not prognosis. That's prognostication. We need a seer, not a doctor.”

“Then that’s my skill set,” said Penn.

“You can see the future?”

“It's the stuff of fairy tales, not hospitals.”

“That's a nice place to be,” Rosie admitted, “but it’s not real.”

“Sure it is,” said Penn. But Rosic rolled over and went to sleep.

Related Characters: Rosie (speaker), Penn (speaker), Claude/Poppy
Page Number: 208
Explanation and Analysis:
Part III: Vagina Shopping Quotes

“Listen Rosie, I know you've got some shit going on at home. I don't want to bust your balls. But you're just not pulling your weight around here.”

“Howie, how am I not pulling my weight around here? I keep thirty-five appointment hours every week, same as you. I maintain emergency appointment slots and on-call hours, same as you. My patient load is full, same as yours.”

“How can you say you’re keeping thirty-five patient hours every week? You've cancelled all your appointments since Monday.”

“Once. One week. This week I've had to cancel appointments—all of which have been rescheduled, and for each of which will I carve out time. In the four years I've been working here, this is the first time I've had to reschedule more than a day's worth of appointments. People get sick, Howie, people's families get sick, even doctors’. That's why we have sick leave and personal leave and family leave.”

“Is that what's happened this week? Sick kid?”

Rosie nodded but failed to elaborate.

“Penn can't take care of this? He doesn't even work.”

Related Characters: Rosie (speaker), Howie (speaker), Claude/Poppy, Penn
Page Number: 228
Explanation and Analysis:
Part III: Novice Quotes

“I thought maybe it would be like when you do an experiment in science and you make it so the results are fair.”

Penn's eyebrows reached for each other. “Blind?”

“I thought since they were little kids and they never met me before if they could tell I was a boy I must be a boy, but if they thought I was a girl, then maybe...”

Related Characters: Claude/Poppy (speaker), Penn (speaker)
Page Number: 270
Explanation and Analysis:
Part III: Oral Tradition Quotes

But Claude felt better. He realized this was what his father had been up to all these years, not entertaining his children but perfecting his world. If you wrote your own characters, they didn’t disappoint you like real people did. If you told your own story you got to pick your ending. Just being yourself never worked, but if you made yourself up, you got to be exactly who you knew yourself to be.

Related Characters: Claude/Poppy, Rosie, Penn, Grumwald/Princess Stephanie
Page Number: 285
Explanation and Analysis:
Part IV: Ever Quotes

“Betwixt?” Grumwald was skeptical. “Isn't betwixt just a witchy way of saying in between?”

“Betwixt is more complex, more twisted threads, more layers than in between.” She smiled at him through rheumy eyes. “Betwixt a Prince and a night fairy is neither-nor as much as both-and. You see? Something new. Something more. Something better.”

Related Characters: Grumwald/Princess Stephanie (speaker), The Witch (speaker), Claude/Poppy, Penn
Page Number: 311
Explanation and Analysis:

“You have to tell. It can’t be a secret. Secrets make everyone alone. Secrets lead to panic like that night at the restaurant. When you keep it a secret, you get hysterical. You get to thinking you’re the only one there is who’s like you, who’s both and neither and betwixt, who forges a path every day between selves, but that's not so. When you're alone keeping secrets, you get fear. When you tell, you get magic. Twice.”

“Twice?”

“You find out you're not alone. And so does everyone else. That’s how everything gets better. You share your secret, and I'll do the rest. You share your secret, and you change the world.”

Related Characters: Grumwald/Princess Stephanie (speaker), The Witch (speaker), Claude/Poppy, Penn
Page Number: 312
Explanation and Analysis:
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Penn Quotes in This Is How It Always Is

The This Is How It Always Is quotes below are all either spoken by Penn or refer to Penn. For each quote, you can also see the other characters and themes related to it (each theme is indicated by its own dot and icon, like this one:
Gender and Binaries  Theme Icon
).
Part I: Bedtime Story Quotes

Bedtime stories were a group activity. And because showing the pictures all around to everyone involved a great deal of squirming and shoving and pinching and pushing and get-outta-my-ways and he-farted-on-mes and you-got-to-look-longer-than-I-dids, Penn often resorted to telling stories rather than reading them. He had a magic book he read from. It was an empty spiral notebook. He showed the boys it was blank so that there was no clamoring to see. And then he read it to them. Like magic.

Related Characters: Claude/Poppy, Rosie, Penn, Roo/Roosevelt, Ben, Orion, Rigel
Page Number: 28
Explanation and Analysis:

In all, a successful bedtime and an accomplishment on par with finishing a particularly difficult chapter or a tax return. It wasn't diagnosing a pulmonary embolism, but it was not unimpressive, and it allowed a pulmonary embolism to be diagnosed. It could not, unfortunately, be followed up by work or by house cleaning, dish doing, lunchbox packing, exercising, or any of the other things that needed doing. Bedtime could only be followed by TV. Or drinking. On the night Claude became—the fruition of which, of course, would only make bedtime worse—Penn thought both at once sounded best and gave it a good try but was asleep on the couch before he was very far into either one.

Related Characters: Claude/Poppy, Rosie, Penn, Roo/Roosevelt, Ben, Orion, Rigel
Page Number: 30
Explanation and Analysis:
Part I: Maybe Quotes

“You’re a scientist, Rosie. Women aren’t scientists. So that goes in the boy column. You’re a doctor—an ER doctor, not a girly one like pediatrician or gynecology. So that goes in the boy column too. Your so-called husband is a writer, an artist, and not the kind who makes money. The other kind. He cooks dinner—” [...].

Related Characters: Penn (speaker), Claude/Poppy, Rosie
Page Number: 72
Explanation and Analysis:
Part I: Naming Rights Quotes

“Meaning if he thinks he is a girl, he has gender dysphoria, and we will accommodate that. If he just wants to wear a dress, he is being disruptive and must wear normal clothes.”

“I’m not sure either Claude or I even understand the distinction you’re making up as you go along here,” said Penn.

“It’s confusing,” the district representative acknowledged, “for Miss Appleton and for the children and clearly also for Claude. No one knows how to treat this child. Do we say he or she? Does Claude line up with the boys or the girls? Why is his hair still short? Why hasn’t he change his name?”

Related Characters: Penn (speaker), Victoria Revels (speaker), Claude/Poppy
Page Number: 91
Explanation and Analysis:

“He cannot be all of the above in kindergarten, and he cannot be none of the above in kindergarten. In kindergarten, a child can only be a he or a she, a boy or a girl. Kindergartens are not set up for ambiguity.”

“Maybe they should be,” said Penn. “The world is an ambiguous place.”

“Not for a five-year-old. For a five-year-old, the world is very black and white. It’s fair or it’s unfair. It’s fun or its torture. There are not disgusting cookies. There are not delicious vegetables.”

Related Characters: Penn (speaker), Victoria Revels (speaker), Claude/Poppy
Page Number: 92
Explanation and Analysis:
Part I: Push Quotes

Rosie hated that calendar. Penn adored it. To Penn, it represented a triumph, difficult things overcome and implemented. Maybe the transition from Claude had been daunting and fraught, but here was Poppy, loved, friended, present, no longer disappearing off the page. He considered the calendar a hard-won trophy. To Rosie, it bespoke people's cloying, pandering, PC bullshit and a strange Poppy cachet. Having status, she warned Penn, was not the same as having friends. Maybe parents just wanted their kids to invite Poppy over so they could gossip to their own friends or make a big show of being open-minded and tolerant. Maybe the kids wanted to play with Poppy because they were curious about him rather than because they liked him. And what would they do about invitations to sleepovers? What would they do when these kids stopped being sweet little kindergarteners and started being hormone-crazed, mean-spirited, cruel-intentioned, peer-pressuring, pill-popping, gun-toting teenagers?

Related Characters: Claude/Poppy, Rosie, Penn
Page Number: 98
Explanation and Analysis:

“Did you threaten him?” said Penn.

“Who?”

“Poppy.”

“Ain’t a him, friend.”

“Did you threaten our child?” Rosie did not want to get diverted into semantics and pronoun battles. There was something more at stake here.

“I told him we don't play with faggots, we don't play with girls, we don't play with boys dressed as girls, and he was no longer welcome in our home or anywhere near my kid—not at the park, not at school, not on the playground, nowhere.”

Related Characters: Rosie (speaker), Penn (speaker), Nick Calcutti (speaker), Claude/Poppy, Nicky Calcutti
Page Number: 101-102
Explanation and Analysis:
Part II: Strategically Naked Quotes

They had four and a half boys, plus Penn, but in some ways, Aggie was maler than any of them. She was a girl who dug holes and ran hard and liked bugs and all that other tomboy shit, but it was more—or maybe less—than that. She'd dismantle toy trucks to build spaceships to fly dolls to day spas built inside killer volcanoes. You just couldn't nail the kid down.

Related Characters: Claude/Poppy, Rosie, Penn, Roo/Roosevelt, Aggie, Ben, Orion, Rigel
Page Number: 142
Explanation and Analysis:
Part II: Transformation Quotes

“You know, it used to be there were no transgender kids. Your son would come to you in a dress, and you'd say, ‘No son of mine!’ or ‘Boys don't wear dresses!’ and that would be the end of it. That kid would grow up, and if he made it through childhood and if he made it through puberty and if he made it through young adulthood, maybe, if he were lucky, he’d eventually find his way to a community of people who understood what no one ever had, and he would slowly change his clothes and hair, and he would slowly change his name and pronouns, and he would slowly test the waters of being female, and over years and decades, he might become a she. Or he might kill himself long before he got there. The rate of suicide for these kids is over forty percent, you know.”

Related Characters: Mr. Tongo (speaker), Claude/Poppy, Rosie, Penn
Page Number: 181
Explanation and Analysis:
Part II: Fire Quotes

Ben was a smart guy, yes, with an off-the-charts IQ and a double-stacked bookcase, but he was still sixteen. And he'd been patient for a very long time. That and he saw something his parents did not, which was that when something was this significant, this consequential, you didn’t keep it from someone you loved, even if that someone was Cayenne Granderson.

Related Characters: Claude/Poppy, Rosie, Penn, Ben, Cayenne
Page Number: 197
Explanation and Analysis:
Part II: Hedge Enemies Quotes

“I don’t want anything. I want . . . I only want to do whatever’s best for her.”

“Me too. Of course mc too. If we knew what that was. But unfortunately that exceeds my skill set. That's not prognosis. That's prognostication. We need a seer, not a doctor.”

“Then that’s my skill set,” said Penn.

“You can see the future?”

“It's the stuff of fairy tales, not hospitals.”

“That's a nice place to be,” Rosie admitted, “but it’s not real.”

“Sure it is,” said Penn. But Rosic rolled over and went to sleep.

Related Characters: Rosie (speaker), Penn (speaker), Claude/Poppy
Page Number: 208
Explanation and Analysis:
Part III: Vagina Shopping Quotes

“Listen Rosie, I know you've got some shit going on at home. I don't want to bust your balls. But you're just not pulling your weight around here.”

“Howie, how am I not pulling my weight around here? I keep thirty-five appointment hours every week, same as you. I maintain emergency appointment slots and on-call hours, same as you. My patient load is full, same as yours.”

“How can you say you’re keeping thirty-five patient hours every week? You've cancelled all your appointments since Monday.”

“Once. One week. This week I've had to cancel appointments—all of which have been rescheduled, and for each of which will I carve out time. In the four years I've been working here, this is the first time I've had to reschedule more than a day's worth of appointments. People get sick, Howie, people's families get sick, even doctors’. That's why we have sick leave and personal leave and family leave.”

“Is that what's happened this week? Sick kid?”

Rosie nodded but failed to elaborate.

“Penn can't take care of this? He doesn't even work.”

Related Characters: Rosie (speaker), Howie (speaker), Claude/Poppy, Penn
Page Number: 228
Explanation and Analysis:
Part III: Novice Quotes

“I thought maybe it would be like when you do an experiment in science and you make it so the results are fair.”

Penn's eyebrows reached for each other. “Blind?”

“I thought since they were little kids and they never met me before if they could tell I was a boy I must be a boy, but if they thought I was a girl, then maybe...”

Related Characters: Claude/Poppy (speaker), Penn (speaker)
Page Number: 270
Explanation and Analysis:
Part III: Oral Tradition Quotes

But Claude felt better. He realized this was what his father had been up to all these years, not entertaining his children but perfecting his world. If you wrote your own characters, they didn’t disappoint you like real people did. If you told your own story you got to pick your ending. Just being yourself never worked, but if you made yourself up, you got to be exactly who you knew yourself to be.

Related Characters: Claude/Poppy, Rosie, Penn, Grumwald/Princess Stephanie
Page Number: 285
Explanation and Analysis:
Part IV: Ever Quotes

“Betwixt?” Grumwald was skeptical. “Isn't betwixt just a witchy way of saying in between?”

“Betwixt is more complex, more twisted threads, more layers than in between.” She smiled at him through rheumy eyes. “Betwixt a Prince and a night fairy is neither-nor as much as both-and. You see? Something new. Something more. Something better.”

Related Characters: Grumwald/Princess Stephanie (speaker), The Witch (speaker), Claude/Poppy, Penn
Page Number: 311
Explanation and Analysis:

“You have to tell. It can’t be a secret. Secrets make everyone alone. Secrets lead to panic like that night at the restaurant. When you keep it a secret, you get hysterical. You get to thinking you’re the only one there is who’s like you, who’s both and neither and betwixt, who forges a path every day between selves, but that's not so. When you're alone keeping secrets, you get fear. When you tell, you get magic. Twice.”

“Twice?”

“You find out you're not alone. And so does everyone else. That’s how everything gets better. You share your secret, and I'll do the rest. You share your secret, and you change the world.”

Related Characters: Grumwald/Princess Stephanie (speaker), The Witch (speaker), Claude/Poppy, Penn
Page Number: 312
Explanation and Analysis: