Rubashov takes a swig of brandy and
Ivanov smiles, saying he’s content to take one of the roles in Rubashov’s mental dialogue. Moralism always attacks a person in his most defenseless moment, he says: it’s unfair and theatrical. Then Rubashov asks if Ivanov remembers Raskolnikov, the protagonist of
Crime and Punishment (by Dostoevsky). Rubashov recalls that the problem was whether Raskolnikov had the right to kill the old woman: he thinks it through logically, but then recognizes that two and two are not four when human beings are being counted.