Hobbes outright calls Christian doctrine, especially that which relies on transubstantiation, incomprehensible “madnesse,” which was an incredibly controversial statement in Hobbes’s time. Even Protestants take Communion, although they do not believe that the bread and wine become Jesus's body and blood. Generally speaking, however, Christians, whether Catholic or Protestant, believe that Jesus is present in the sacrament in some sense. Hobbes considers this practice nonsense and lacking reason.