Stanley K. Sheinbaum is the former president of the Los Angeles Police Commission. In his first interview, he talks about attending the gang truce meetings at Nickerson Gardens to try to understand gang members’ experiences and the process of the truce. When Sheinbaum’s superiors found out, they accused him of siding with the enemy. In his interview, however, Sheinbaum wonders why there have to be sides in the first place, thereby challenging the “us versus them” dichotomy that justifies and perpetuates the racial tensions and systemic racism that permeates late 20th-century Los Angeles.