While Ronson’s book has so far been about the inhumanity of public shaming, speaking with Poe has thrown a wrench in Ronson’s conviction that public shaming is categorically bad—in fact, shame-based punishments administered via a court of law reduced the number of people who re-offended, which is a major goal of any kind of punishment. Furthermore, Mike Hubacek did not feel that his public shaming was overly punitive or worse than being allowed to remain relatively private by going to jail; Hubacek actually thought his shaming was an opportunity for growth that he wouldn’t have had with a more traditional punishment. So if public shaming can be productive in some circumstances, then the question becomes how to differentiate bad public shamings from good ones.